Thursday, September 25, 2008

Response to Ondria ("Yes You Can" on Immigration)

Ondria-

I agree, the conservative Right does seem to be hostile towards immigrants. Chris was also right in that the conservative Right seems to be callous towards poor people. This is exactly what I'm trying to get away from. I want the Right to recognize the compassionate stance that is inherent in their ideology. It is the root of their ideology. But it seems they fail to understand it and therefore end up with problems like hating on immigrants and ignoring the plight of the poor because they don't know how else to respond.

The "Yes You Can" and the American Dream ideas are only available to us through the system that has been created. If you allow that system to be undermined or ignored, the American Dream will collapse. This is why illegals can not be allowed to remain here illegally. They have circumvented the system and, in doing so, are creating a lot of instability in that system.

So, how do you maintain the integrity of the system and still show compassion on the illegals? It's a very tough question. But, I think the key is to approach the problem from that fundamental, uniquely American, classical liberal way. The words on the Statue of Liberty, "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free", illustrate this idea of compassion. We want them to come because we believe in their ability to contribute here. We believe in their ability to make a great life here. We believe in the power of the individual. That is the message that we need to send to these immigrants. They need to know that we care.

However, because the power of the individual is only free to manifest itself in a system that protects it from hindrances, such a system must be preserved else their very reason for coming will be compromised. So, along with telling immigrants we care about them, we also have to tell them we care about the system. This is a very difficult thing to do because the two messages appear contradictory, although they actually have the same root, which is that we believe in preserving the freedom of the individual. However, I do think it is possible to convey this message, and if done in the right way, I think many immigrants will be very understanding.

This message needs to be conveyed through words and action. Laws can be written and enforced that help send this type of message. For example, the law passed in Arizona by Rep. Pearce (not my favorite guy, politicians usually aren't) that cracks down on business owners who hire illegal workers can send a great message. This law is great because it doesn't attack immigrants directly. If this law were coupled with the right kinds of diplomatic speeches by talented politicians it could send the message, "Look, Mexicans/immigrants, we don't hate you. But we do have laws and we're willing to enforce them on our own people." Then, when they realize there are no jobs here for them if they are illegal, they go somewhere else and maybe, hopefully, try to come back legally. It's certainly better than the round 'em up, stick 'em in a truck and give them their "one way ticket back to poverty" as they're dropped off in the first random Mexican city that the truck gets to. Not only does the Arizona law have the potential to send a better message, but it's also much more effective at accomplishing it's goal, which is to maintain the integrity of our system.

Now, the other part of sending the "we care about the individual" message is, of course, to reform the immigration system and make it easier for hard working, powerful individuals to enter and be assimilated into America so that they too can partake of the American Dream.

What I'm trying to stress here, is that the Right's desire to rid our country of illegal aliens is motivated by their love for the principles of our country. They love those principles because they love the idea of empowering the individual. They love the "Yes You Can" concept. They need to realize that that is what they care about most. That is what is so important. Once they really see that and see how it applies to the immigration issue, I think they will send the right message through various verbal statements and policy actions. In my experience, people's motives are generally obvious as their actions and words make the motive apparent. If the Right will apply the "Yes You Can" concept to immigration, illegals will feel their compassion.

7 comments:

Janalyn said...

You really think that most people want to "rid our country of illegal aliens" because they are "motivated by their love for the principles of our country"???

Certainly in the Mesa, AZ area this is not the case. Most people I knew growing up just hated Mexicans and wanted them all out (Russell Pearce and sons). I think you're making people sound way too benevolent.

Other than that, I'm with you on the immigration stuff. I just wish people would make it easier for immigrants to come here legally and not be racially motivated to kick everyone out.

simpode said...

You're right, there are many on the Right that are racially motivated to kick everyone out. But even that, I think, is because they love the principles of our country and fear that somehow these other cultures will erode our own culture which is largely based on those principles that they love. If the Right is typically more racist than the Left, it's because they misunderstand and maybe even fail to trust the power of their own beliefs.

So, part of what I'm trying to do is show people on the Right that the fundamentals of their beliefs are contrary to racism and hate because it's really about empowering the individual. If they don't believe that than all of their arguments fall apart. That's where it all started. And it only started because of some very benevolent people who believed in the benevolence of others.

Unknown said...

I'm sorry, but I don't accept the premise that conservatives are racist toward Mexicans and liberals are all-benevolent. I think that the Democratic primaries have shown that the conservatives have plenty of competition for the racism title. The reality is that the Democrats are using our visitors from the south as pawns in the persuit of votes, nothing more. The only time they have compassion for Mexicans or poor Americans or anyone else is when they can do it with other people's money - that's yours and mine. That's why they are so fond of government taking care of everyone, because they can direct our money according to their wishes and feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Liberals are notoriously cheap with the sharing of their personal funds, as evidenced recently by the Dem VP's tax records. He made multiple millions last year and donated approximately $3k to charity.
On that note, I must say that it is impossible for government to do a "fair" job of providing for the unfortunate among us. It is because of the very nature of government that it must be fair with all of its people, it must do the same for one as for another. In helping and supporting the underpriviliged, being "fair" is not fair, because they all have different needs and different abilities to perform because of different education, heritage, background and upbringing. Helping each one effectively must be individualized. That is why Faith based organizations do the best overall job of helping people pull themselves up out of the mire and become more productive. They are able to respond to the needs of the complete person, not just to the amount they have in their bank account.

Unknown said...

Any who believe liberals are more liberal with their personal funds can find statistics and a discussion of same at
http://talkingpoints.wordpress.com/2006/12/01/conservative-vs-liberal-charity-donations/

Heath said...

Sorry Janalyn, I don't think that "most" conservatives that want to halt ILLEGAL immigration are doing so simply on the basis of hatred or racism towards Mexicans. There might be some bad apples in the bunch that have this as their primary motive, but to say they are in the majority, I think is wrong.

Ondriawfd said...

Oh, no Heath. . .there IS racism and that is a big factor in getting the illegals out. And I agree with CL that people here are afraid that other cultures will erode our American culture as we know it. It already is changing.

Heath said...

Ondria I know there is racism, but I don't think it is the majority of people.